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Prophecy of Esaias


Revising at this time:

Parables, Isaiah, and Ashes

Matthew 13:10-17

10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Then why bother talking to them in parables!

Does that make any sense? Why gather people about you and talk so they don’t understand?

Isn’t that what speaking in tongues is for?

12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias,

which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;

and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Well, that is the important thing ….to fulfill prophecy at every cost!

Even at the expense of truth!

Why would Jesus waste His time teaching people He did not want to learn from His teaching. I just can’t imagine the Son of God wasting His time in such a fashion.

Didn’t He have better things to do than that?

15For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

So the Synoptic Jesus of the Gospel of Matthew came to gather crowds about him, because he did not want to heal the people.

Synoptic Ignorance ….yea, that will keep them busy and under his spell.

He came so they would not see with their eyes?

He came so that they would not hear with their ears?

He came so that they should not understand with their heart?

He came so that they should not be converted?

He came so that He should not heal them?

Somehow, that just doesn’t seem even logical,

much less sane.

I really don’t think Jesus Christ came to trick people,

yet Matthew’s rendition of Jesus

admits to tricking the people.

Isn’t that deception!

Obviously, this was not the Messiah!

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16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17For verily I say unto you,

That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see,

and have not seen them;

and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

(now he his pandering)

Then the Synoptic Jesus of the Gospel of Matthew

tells the the parables of the

Sower and the Seed

and the

Wheat and the Tares:

Matthew 13:34-36

36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house:

and his disciples came unto him, saying,

Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Then the Synoptic Jesus explains the parable of the Wheat and the Tares to the disciples

because they did not seem to be blessed?

I thought they (the disciples) were blessed, because their eyes saw and their ears heard, but apparently they needed help to see and to hear, so they came to Jesus in private,

and then he explains the parable of the Wheat and Tares to them.

So was this Jesus pandering to his disciples even though their ears didn’t really hear, and their eyes didn’t really see, and their hearts didn’t really understand?

I thought he said:

16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Was Matthew’s Jesus lying to his disciples?

Was the Synoptic Jesus using reverse psychology to get his disciples to admit to not understanding him and come to ask him what the parables meant?

Something is not right here!

This Synoptic Jesus contradicts himself by saying that

they had eyes to see and ears to hear unlike everyone else,

because obviously they didn’t!

Wouldn’t the real Jesus know whether they understood what he was saying

so that he would not contradict himself,

or was this Synoptic Jesus being sarcastic about his disciple’s blessedness

ie. presumed knowledge?

Somebody is trying to make Jesus look sinister

and/or his disciples look dumb.

Either way it’s a very odd!

All I can surmise from this is it doesn’t sound like Jesus Christ the Son of God…the one that gave his life for his friends. I am not saying he did not share wisdom, but why did he pretend that they knew the meaning when he knew they did not know the meaning? Why did he teach people so that they would not understand,

so he wouldn’t have to heal them? 

Isn’t that insane? Isn’t that deceitful? Isn’t that evil?

I don’t think the true Jesus Christ was deceitful.

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death;

because he had done no violence,

neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Deceit is deception!

OR is Isaiah insane along with Matthew

who supposedly wrote the Synoptic Gospel of Matthew, OR is it possible that someone added to the book of Isaiah?

(In any case the fact that his disciples had to get help to understand his parables when he said that they understood because they were blessed at the very least was sarcasm. Jesus in the Gospel of John was not sarcastic. I have noticed that many people have resorted to sarcasm in the years of the Obama administration even those that seemed to be on his side referring to him in terms of the Messiah by the press, Time Magazine, and even a few comedians. So far it seems that everything Obama says people have to weigh because it seems nothing he says is true. Of course usually we find out later in time because most of what he says are promises he doesn’t intend to keep, etc. It seems that Jesus of the Gospel of Matthew also had that same personality trait. Maybe the Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew was a sneaky politician. There are many examples if you read my posts that are on the subject of the gospels and especially the ones that compare the gospels.)

The Gospel of Matthew basically is saying that Jesus was deceiving and yet Isaiah says there was no deceit in his mouth.

SO which is it?

Do you believe the Gospel of Matthew on this point about Jesus,

or do you believe Isaiah?

Then whose mouth was deceiving in the Gospel of Matthew?

The DECEIVER

Please read:

Salute No Man

In my opinion, this rendition of Jesus Christ in the gospel of Matthew seems like a pompous show-off and a deceiver.  I really truly believe that Jesus Christ was not a show-off.  I believe Jesus Christ was sincere to the utmost and kind, and the gospel writer Matthew either misunderstood Jesus to the nth degree, or made this one up! The Synoptic version of Jesus is pretty mixed up

and I think it was done purposefully to mix us up! 

I don’t believe for a minute that Jesus Christ came to ridicule men,

even the ones that did not see, and did not hear,

or have hearts to understand! 

If I did believe that Jesus came so I and others would not understand or perceive, and if I believed that He came so he would not heal me and you,

then why bother learning about Him!

I wouldn’t waste my time on a false Messiah!

These Synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke)

are uncannily similar in places and seems that their goal was to diminish and overpower the gospel of John. Its apparent to me that Luke wrote his gospel after seeing John’s gospel, because Luke’s gospel is eerily antithetical to the gospel of John in many, many places, and the same goes for the gospels of Matthew and Mark!

Is it possible that there are some parts of the Synoptic Gospels that are true?

There is definitely big disagreement as to His character

His purpose,

if and when you compare it to the Gospel of John,

Which you ought to do,

because it is very telling and has been a blessing to me!

There are so many problems when you compare the Synoptic Gospels with the Gospel of John. It is also possible that Luke, by being so antithetical with the Gospel of John,

is actuality highlighting the deception in the gospels of Matthew and Mark?

Could be that the writer of the gospel of Luke was trying to point to the deception without being obvious. Then again the writer of the gospel of Luke may be so depraved that he/she relished the insertion of aberrant remarks against Jesus Christ.

One thing to keep in mind is that the people that hated Jesus were in power and people were killed for telling and writing the truth about Jesus. It is possible that the writers of the gospels had to write in ways so that we might have to search for the truth in the gospels! We are very lucky in these times to be able to write what we want to write and read what we want to read without the threat of death, but under Roman rule people were slaughtered for no reason and sometimes simply for entertainment.

Which could be why Jesus Christ says:

John 13:18

I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up

his heel against me.

Jesus was also cryptic in his words! He could have just said who it was that had lifted his heel against him, but instead he left clues in his words for us. Obviously, there were reasons for this because he knew the words would be destroyed!

If you read some of my earlier posts you will see the lack of harmony between the Synoptic gospels and the Gospel of John and I think the dissimilarities are so striking that they ought to be heavily scrutinized!

Two of the gospels writers of Mark (John Mark) and Luke were not apostles! They were followers/cohorts of Paul/Saul of Tarsus. I don’t think Matthew was an apostle either because he missed some really important events that John writes about in his gospel or he purposefully omitted them to satisfy someone else’s objectives.

I am very suspicious that Paul wrote the gospel of Matthew!

Now wouldn’t that be a coup to have Paul (and his partners) authoring 3 out of 4 of the gospels, Acts and Romans etc, etc, etc?

I am very suspicious that Saul/Paul of Tarsus is either Simon of Cyrene or one of Simon’s Sons.

Tarsus (skeleton)

 the bones of the ankle and heel, collectively  

Gee, that’s a big clue!

Luke in his gospel added this quote from Jesus Christ at the Last Supper event :

Luke 22:31

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

As I said in another post, how does he know?

Luke wasn’t at the Last Supper and the above statement is not in any of the other gospels!

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Isaiah 44:13-20

13The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man;

that it may remain in the house.

What house?

The house spoken of in the Book of Acts?

14He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.15Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself;yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.16He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:17And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

18They have not known nor understood:

for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see;

and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

 

WHO

HAS SHUT THEIR EYES

THAT THEY CANNOT SEE;

AND THEIR HEARTS, THAT THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND?

Paul of Tarsus?

Tarsus is part of Turkey.

What is the religion of Turkey?…..98 % Islam.

The Synoptic Gospels are the origin of ISLAM!

19And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof;

I have roasted flesh,

and eaten it:

and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination?

shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?20He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

Is this talking about the DECEIVER?

I believe that the

“Q Source”

that is credited to a great degree to be the inspiration of the Synoptic Gospels is the Deceiver!

I think that “The brethren of Jesus” are the

four carpenters James, Joses, Simon and Judas written about in Zechariah:

The Carpenters of Zechariah-The Four Horns

18Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns.19And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem.20And the LORD shewed me four carpenters.21Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles,

which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.

Who is no man?

 

Please read these two comparisons of the gospels:

Salute No Man

Tell No Man

Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter‘s son? is not his mother called Mary?

and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

Mark 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

IN the Gospel of John

Jesus never calls his mother by the name of Mary!

He calls her Woman!

WHY?

John 19:25-26

25Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother’s sister,

Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

26When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Mary was the sister of the mother of Jesus!

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I Am That I Am (The Sign) -Revised *


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Indulgences and the Parable of Usury


Matthew 25:14-30

14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; andstraightway took his journey. 16Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord’s money. 19After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. 20And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. 21His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.22He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. 23His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. 24Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed 25And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.29For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.30And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Talk about being diametrically opposite to

Jesus Christ

in the Gospel of John!

I believe the true Jesus Christ would never

in a zillion years

have said that parable to anyone.

It’s an abomination!

The Gospel of Matthew gives the impression that Jesus Christ

was an investor wheeler-dealer

and wants us to do the same!

How about business practices?

Would it matter

how one doubled their talent?

Not according to Luke!

Luke 19:22-24

22And he saith unto him,

Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant.

Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into thebank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with

usury?

24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

Two men torch themselves in Italy as hardship bites

Hardship = Austerity=Unmerciful=FAKE

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This is what the real Jesus said:

John 10:9-11

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved,

and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:

I am come that they might have life,

and that they might have it more abundantly.11

I am the good shepherd:

the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Does Jesus Christ sound austere?

Please Read:

I AM THAT I AM (THE SIGN)

I AM THAT I AM (Part two)

I Am the True Vine

Jesus Christ was not austere, nor greedy, nor a thief!

Were there banks in Israel when Jesus Christ visited them?

History of Banking

I can’t help think about Jesus Christ

overturning the money changers

at the temple:

John 2:13

13And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.14And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.17And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.18Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21But he spake of the temple of his body.

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The Parable of Usury quoted in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke are diametrically opposed to the Son of God!

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The Old Testament seems to say something totally opposite of the Parable of Usury related in the gospel of Matthew and aped in the gospel of Luke.

Psalm 15:5

5He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

Exodus 22:25

25If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Leviticus 25:35-37

35And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.36Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.37Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deuteronomy 23:19-20

19Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:20Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou settest thine hand to in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

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I guess the Jesus Christ rendered in the gospel of Matthew and Mark will reward the rich, powerful and greedy in these articles linked below!

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POPE BENEDICT INDULGENCES

Why Catholic Indulgences Are Making a Comeback

MYSTICS OF THE CHURCH

Pauline Year Indulgence

Pope approves Lourdes indulgences

Indulgences regain relevance under Benedict

Holy Father to grant plenary indulgences for the Year of Priests

Special Indulgence for the Year for Priests

World Youth Day Indulgences

Do these articles above fulfill the Parable of Usury?

Yes, I believe they fulfill it to the brim! In fact, I would say their cup spilleth over with usury!

Pope Benedict aka Ratzinger fits the mold very nicely!

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The True Jesus Christ was not a liar or a cheater!

Indulgences are an abomination!

Nowhere in the bible does it say you can buy anything in the Kingdom of the True God!

Revelation 16:21

And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Revelation 18:4

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues

Jesus Christ did not come to make slaves, but to free us from slavery. Paul and his followers and their made-up version of Jesus Christ came to make slaves! The Parable above is a lie!

Jesus Christ said that our work is to believe in Him!

Men have added their propaganda in the bible to enslave us! You have to discern what is true and what is false and both are recorded in the bible. That is why it is so important not to rely on scholars, religious zealots, religion, religious leaders, etc. I think that is why Jesus fed the 5000 men his bread and collected 12 baskets of fragments because he knew what men would do to his word.

Now, in the news the Vatican Bank is under investigation for Money Laundering.

OH, REALLY?

Who’d have thought?

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I Am That I Am (The Sign) -Revised *


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A Desert Place (a Different View)



Matthew 24:25-27

25Behold, I have told you before.26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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GOSPEL OF HILLARY CLINTON – Feeding of the 5000

“FOR HILLARY CLINTON, FAITH MEANS CARING FOR OTHERS”

What difference does it make?

She also gives her version of the feeding of 5000 in the article linked above:

“The disciples come to Jesus and suggest they send away the people to find food to fend for themselves. But Jesus said, `No. You feed them,'” Clinton said. “He was teaching a lesson about the responsibility we all share.”

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Are ya and the rest of government willing to stop traveling give up vacations, travel, and campaigning to feed the poor? Then I guess your faith is meaningless and you really don’t care nor does anyone who campaigns on feeding the poor, minimum wage, etc. Until you atop overtaxing and spending, until you repeal in total Obama Care and call a spade a spade which Obama Care is and stop entertaining yourselves, taking vacations and stop traveling on everyone else’s dime and fix the leaks in government waste going to Rome and other places illegally you are full of POOP.

Gospel of Matthew-Feeding of the 5000

John had been beheaded and the disciples took the body up. They told Jesus about what they had done and when he heard of it, he went to a desert place:

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Matthew 14:13-15

13When Jesus heard of it, he departed thence by ship into a desert place apart: and when the people had heard thereof, they followed him on foot out of the cities.14And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.15And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.

Hmmmmmmmmm. The Synoptic Jesus was in a desert place yet he warms his disciples about seeking him in a desert?

Strange twist!

How does one depart by ship into a desert place.

Jesus did not know it was a desert place…which his disciples seem to have to tell him. The disciples are telling Jesus to send the multitude away, as if they were in charge of Jesus Christ! They are telling Jesus how to handle the people for the sake of the their hunger, as if Jesus did not realize?

Does that make any sense?

Matthew 14:16-18

16But Jesus said unto them, They need not depart; give ye them to eat.17And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.18He said, Bring them hither to me.19And he commanded the multitude to sit down on thegrass,

The disciples must have had a lot of food with them for Jesus to tell them to give ye them to eat.

Now, He decides to take charge and tells the disciples to give the multitude of 5000 men not including women and children food to eat and they tell Jesus the “bottom line”which is that they only have five loaves and two fishes. Jesus commands the multitude to sit on the grass in the desert place.

Certainly Jesus knew that his disciple could not give the multitude of 5000 men and more including children food to eat.

So why did Jesus say that to his disciples?

Seems so deceptive!

Jesus commands the multitude to sit on the grass in the desert place.

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Gospel of Mark-Feeding of the 5000

John had been beheaded and the apostles laid John in a tomb and they told Jesus. Then Jesus said to his apostles to come alone to rest and eat and they departed by ship to a desert place. The people saw them departing and followed him and Jesus was moved with compassion and began to teach the people many things:

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Mark 6:35-36

35And when the day was now far spent, his disciples came unto him, and said, This is a desert place, and now the time is far passed: 36Send them away, that they may go into the country round about, and into the villages, and buy themselves bread: for they have nothing to eat.

The disciples tell Jesus that they are in a desert place and tells Jesus to send the people away to the surrounding villages and buy bread.

They are telling Jesus what to do as if he was not in his right mind.

Again, they are ordering Jesus to send the people away and reminding him that the people have nothing to eat!

Isn’t that a bit odd?


Mark 6:37-40

37He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat?38He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.39And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass. 40And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties

Again, Jesus says to the apostles to give the people food (5000 men not including women and children), and they ask Jesus if they should buy “two hundred pennyworth of bread” to feed the people?

Why do they say that specific amount?

Do they think that two hundred pennyworth of bread will feed the 5000 men not including the women and the children?

Then Jesus says to find out how many loaves they have. They find out they have five loaves and two fishes.

This sounds so contrived 

Then Jesus commands the people to sit “by companies,” on the green grass.

So the people sit down in “ranks, by hundreds and by fifties“.

This is very, very military jargon!

A soldier belonged to a Legion which had about 5,000 or 6,000 men. Each legion was divided into companies of 80 men called Centuries.

Here is a link of a site about ranks:

Roman Army Ranks!

Or companies could be referring to Big business:

Fortune 500 and INC 5000

Could be referring to money as in banking.

Honestly I don’t think Jesus had them sit in groups of 500 or by what company they worked for.

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$5000 bill featuring a portrait of James Madison

I think Mithraism was prevalent back in Roman days of occupation of Jerusalem and Israel. So some of the gospels may have been tainted a bit here and a bit there by those beliefs which is understandable. Confusion. Kind of like James Foley becoming a follower of Islam while imprisoned which isn’t that far a stretch from  being Roman Catholic.

Prayer beads, Burkas and Habits, Graven images like the many Shrouds of Turin (TURKEY) etc

Second Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Make Graven Images

There are some prophecies in the bible of being surrounded by armies….I think that includes priests and nuns as well because they are an army of sorts. They like to make up their own rules and measures.

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Gospel of Luke-Feeding the 5000

Jesus sends his disciples out to the towns to preach the gospel. They went out preaching and healing. John is already dead and Herod hears about the disciples and Jesus and Herod says he beheaded John and thought that Jesus was either John or Elias or some prophet that has arisen from the dead and so Herod desires to see him. The disciples tell Jesus about all that they had done.

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Sounds like there is a problem with Luke’s background information in comparison to Matthew and Mark’s gospels.  Both their gospels say that Herod had just beheaded John and that they had taken John’s body up and put in a tomb and came to tell Jesus about what they had done, yet Luke seems to say time has passed and that Herod has had time enough to hear about the preaching and the healings of Jesus and his apostles/disciples. and thinks that John has arisen from the grave…

So Luke disagrees with the first two gospels in that the feeding of the 5000 is not immediately after the apostles take the body of the beheaded John and put him in a tomb.

Luke 9:10-12

10And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them, and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.11And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.12And when the day began to wear away, then came the twelve, and said unto him, Send the multitude away, that they may go into the towns and country round about, and lodge, and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.

Luke gets specific and names the place that Jesus takes the apostles which is a “desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.”

Again there must be a lot of grass in this desert place for 5000 men (not including women and children) to be able to sit down as commanded by this Jesus.

Bethsaida is not in the desert!

Matthew, Mark and Luke say they are in a desert place and Luke adds that it belongs to the city of Bethsaida.

Bethsaida must be deserted or at least the desert place of Bethsaida is deserted.

Again the apostles tell Jesus to send the multitude away so that they can get food AND LODGING and they remind Jesus that they are in a desert place, because Jesus was not aware that they needed food AND LODGING or that they were in a desert place (deserted place.)

Jesus seems to be getting progressively more inattentive to the needs of the multitude as we get to the Gospel of Luke.

Now the multitude also needs LODGING.

SO again the apostles are telling Jesus “how things are!”

Luke 9:13-15

13But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.14For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a company.15And they did so, and made them all sit down.

So again, Jesus tells the apostles to feed the multitude of 5000.

Now that is silly!

But they say they only have five loaves and two fishes unless they go buy more meat for the multitude.

Jesus tells them to make the people sit in “fifties in a company.”

Why not say tell them to sit down in families? Or get in line? Or sit down in rows and columns of twenties?

Again this is military jargon!

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Gospel of JohnFeeding the 5000

Earlier in the chapter 5 of the Gospel of John Jesus was talking to the Jews at the temple in Jerusalem because of a feast of the Jews. He had just healed a man on the Sabbath and the Jews were persecuting him because he healed a man on the Sabbath and at that time alludes to John the Baptist having been a burning and a shining light to them, but in John chapter 3 John the Baptist had not yet been imprisoned. The Gospel of John does not say whether he is dead, alive or in prison! He goes to Sea of Galilee and a multitude followed him because of his miracles on the diseased. Jesus goes to a mountain and sits with his disciples and a company of people approach Him.

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Nothing is written in the Gospel of John about the decapitation or the burial of John the Baptist nor what the disciples had done for John the Baptist in his death neither for that matter anything about Herod and his response to Jesus (as in the gospel of Luke)!

John 6:1-13

1After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.2And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.3And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.4And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. 5When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?6And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

Now the gospel of John gets very specific:

The Gospel of John says nothing about a desert place or Bethsaida, but that they are in a mountain!

Which is kind of odd to see 5000 men not including women and children in a desert place or desert.

Doesn’t sound very deserted to me! And what are 5000 men and their families doing in the desert or a desert place?

Not one disciple tells Jesus where He is! Not one disciple tells Jesus to send the people away either! He seems to be quite aware and in control of the situation! In fact, He even realizes the needs of the people that followed him.The Gospel of John also gets specific to the time of this event and says that the passover was nigh (soon).

Jesus asks Philip where they should buy bread so they can provide bread after he sees a great company i.e. a great multitude approaching him.

Why does Jesus ask Philip?

Philip was from Bethsaida as stated in the gospel of John twice, which is odd to me!

Why not ask Andrew or Peter where to buy bread, who were also of the city of Bethsaida?

John 1:44

Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.

John 12:21
The same came therefore to
Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.

Bethsaida is a city of Galilee!

Jesus knows that the people need food even without the direction of his apostles! So in the gospel of John, Jesus seems to have his wit and wherewith all and

He seems to be in charge!

John 6:7-10

7Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little. 8One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, saith unto him, 9There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?10And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand.

Jesus does not command them to separate into companies, but tells the disciples to make the the men sit down. Jesus knew they did not have enough food or money to feed 5000 men! Jesus does not tell the disciples to feed the 5000 men, unlike the other three synoptic gospels contend knowing that they could not feed the 5000. Jesus asks Philip whence they can buy bread! Philip says that 200-penny
worth isn’t enough to feed the men, but Andrew says that a boy has a basket of 5 barley loaves of bread and 2 fish, but it isn’t enough.

The gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke (the synoptic gospels)

don’t even mention

the boy with the basket of 5 barley loaves of bread and 2 fish.

The other gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) are making it sound ridiculous by omitting the boy with the bread and fish in this event.

Philip seems to know that 200 pennyworth isn’t enough to feed the 5000 men!

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Now in the gospel of Mark the disciples ask Jesus : Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat?

I wonder why that amount of bread is proposed by them

since in the gospel of John

Philip says that two hundred pennyworth is not enough to feed the 5000 men!

How would Philip know?

Why would the gospel of Matthew have the disciples ask Jesus about this “same amount” that they should buy knowing it isn’t enough by what Philip replies in the gospel of John?

Is it Coincidence that they pull the same exact amount out of thin air to turn the tables (so to speak) unless Philip is the author of Matthew’s gospel and/or they, the synoptic authors, have John’s gospel in hand to weave a different story i.e. to mock and to go against!

Weird!

It is apparent that Philip had the money or would be able to estimate the amount needed for a multitude of 5000 men and that is why Jesus asked Philip (instead of Peter or Andrew) in the gospel of John:

John 6:5-6

5When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?6And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

If they were in Bethsaida, wouldn’t Philip, Peter or Andrew have said lets go check out what is in the town and see if they have food or we can find out?

Philip was from Bethsaida, but he doesn’t say anything about Bethsaida only that 200-pennyworth won’t feed the multitude, but just a little.

When I cook for a big group it takes a lot of planning to know how much is needed per person. There are people that do cook for large groups that can estimate because of experience in doing so, like caterers!

In those days Barley loaves was also used as currency!

Why would the gospel of Matthew later say not to go into the desert when they were supposedly in a “desert place” when Jesus fed the 5000 men according to Matthew, Mark and Luke.

The Gospel of John does not say they were in a desert place, but that they were in a mountain.

The gospel of Matthe says that the disciples ask, shall we go buy 200 pennyworth of bread when it would not even satisfy the multitude?

Jesus does not command them to separate into companies, but gets the disciples to make the the people sit down. Jesus knew the disciples did not have enough food or money to feed 5000 men and the women and children as did the other three synoptic gospels contend. But Andrew brings up that a boy has some bread and fish, which was probably offered by an enthusiastic boy trying to help.

And to top it off Jesus of the gospel of Matthew says in his prophetic monologue the following:

Matthew 24:25-26

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:

behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

The synoptic gospels try to infer that Bethsaida was deserted or in a desert place, when Jesus was with the disciples in a mountain

So is Matthew saying not to believe the feeding of the 5000 men?

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Conclusion

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Matthew 14:19-21

19……..and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.

20And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full.

21And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children.

Mark 6:41-46

41And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.

42And they did all eat, and were filled.

43And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes.

44And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men.

45And straightway he constrained his disciples to get into the ship, and to go to the other side before unto Bethsaida, while he sent away the people.

46And when he had sent them away, he departed into a mountain to pray.

Luke 9:16-17

16Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.

17And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.

The three synoptic gospels say that Jesus blessed the loaves and brake the loaves, etc., but the gospel of John says he gave thanks and distributed!

That is a huge antithesis!

John 6:11-15

11And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.

12When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost.

13Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten.

14Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

15When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

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The Eucharist was around before Jesus and was practiced in Egypt. It had nothing to do with Jesus, but was a pagan practice and worshipping another god.

The monstrance is what holds the Eucharist and it is IDOLATRY!

Monstrance

Why do you suppose they are usually the shape of the sun?

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How is it That Ye Do Not Understand?

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